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2013-01-05 11:22:41 GMT
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I, for one, quite enjoy NNTP.
If the MPAA and RIAA would focus their attention on their own archaic business models instead of disrupting others I'd be a happier person.
While I can't see Usenet vanishing in the near future, DMCA disturbances are becoming quite irritating and affecting the quality of my experience.
Assuming the current trend continues (which it may not, but appears likely) I predict the formation of a DMCA resistant Usenet provider.
The reason I use Usenet is for speed, reliability and potential privacy.
If internet providers relinquish their cap plans and become p2p friendly we may see and increase in the average torrent speed, however I feel this is somewhat unlikely.
Anything over TOR, Meshnet or Darknet will probably be slow due to the inherent nature of their system designs. I see these as a backup for VPN/Torrents.
Granted I've not spent long thinking about the topic but should Usenet be continually irritated with DMCA takedowns, I unfortunately I'm unsure of a potential substitute for Usenet.
What do you think?
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2013-01-05 19:19:20 GMT
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Posted on nzbsrus:
"The problem is DEVELOPERS are not running to operate here anymore. Usenet is dead to most coders.
We have CHASING on our heels these new SMART TV's (& Phones) with click to rent a movie from £2 to £5 ISH and some of the TV shows can be less. IF you have a fast line and deep wallet in HD these are great actually already. Remember Usenet/NZB is not free.
On these platforms a 48 hour rent will soon be a week then a month and soon the rental price will be the pay price forever if this catches on. At that point if we see £1 a movie/tv show you are seriously going to loose a lot of casual pirates (the masses with the money). The chances of seeing a circumvention app for usenet is unlikely if the powers that be go down this road and get these mad time frame restrictions lifted on Smart content for perhaps an extra £1. Bandwidth costs to these MEGA BULK buyers is coming down also.
So no new Usenet apps will be developed for this reason "if it comes to pass" and it will as law and money will dictate it will.
Also know body will carry usenet apps on their smart platforms so you have to manually > research a movie > find/create an nzb (or horror manually do it) > download from a paid provider > par check/extract > make sure plex picks it up > keep your computer on > stream to TV.
With optical lines and new Smart TV's it comes down to price and many users will leave usenet as most only use it for movies/tv & music and smart apps IF THEY IMPROVE AND THEY WILL make life easier for casual entertainment. With work, life, online games and freeview TV the masses only have a limited weekly demand for content and thus there is a price point here smart apps can strive to get to.
The trick therefore is to contact the pirate bay and LEARN how they operate in the cloud. AND get everyone comfy with BitCoin. There is the business model that can still and always will work for mega consumers and people looking for more than just a little movie and music time. But to develop fancy secure apps I doubt it will happen. As soon as they bully people via law and carrot them via low prices to Smart apps the masses will leave Usenet and they will IGNORE us left here I expect. It is about surviving the next 2-5 years here until movie & music companies have the masses back and just fuck off and leave us alone. They are the problem and they want to kick up a storm to pull people to these emerging platforms. Granted they are shit now but they won't be soon I expect. Once they get bucks rolling they will leave us hobbyists alone."
I think he has some good points
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2013-01-06 13:11:30 GMT
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Some good points there. Things are very irritating for me at the minute and i have to question weather or not its worth persevering with failed downloads all the time. I can only see it getting worse right now. The problem is there is no alternate thats comparable on cost
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2013-01-06 22:43:33 GMT
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I agree, things are not quite as simple as they used to be. The problem with the new index sites is they're not marking password protected files yet. Hopefully, that will come in the near future. In the meantime, use NZBindex.nl to check any file you're thinking about downloading. They plainly mark anything that's password protected and they have a method for filtering results that clears up unwanted returns. This site, NZBX.co, seems to have the most potential of those I've seen but we can't expect everything to happen in a week or two.
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2013-01-07 20:19:06 GMT
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I agree, things are not quite as simple as they used to be.
You must not have been around when you had to download headers manually, then select all the articles, then par check it, then unrar it. All manually.
It is SO much simpler now that I've gotten horribly lazy. But still have fond memories of GrabIt. |
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2013-01-08 00:20:14 GMT
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Oh yes I was. Spent many an hour with NewsRover doing all of those things!
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2013-01-13 02:10:25 GMT
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Honestly, nothing mentioned here is an issue. The lack of interest in the usenet community removes it from being a primary target by anti piracy groups. Not to mention it's not like it's lacking. I've never been disappointed with usenet.
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2013-01-16 06:36:26 GMT
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Usenet is a primary target now - it's not the same scene that it used to be. The barrier to entry is low now; the tools are just so easy to use that anyone that could fire up a P2P tool can use this. Get used to DCMA and index sites collapsing when they get a C&D letter.
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2013-01-18 05:36:13 GMT
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Usenet is a primary target now - it's not the same scene that it used to be. The barrier to entry is low now; the tools are just so easy to use that anyone that could fire up a P2P tool can use this. Get used to DCMA and index sites collapsing when they get a C&D letter.
youre partially right. Until a site doesnt operate in the US and has no US extradition. then they can give the US a big middel finger and operate just fine.
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2013-02-15 06:02:51 GMT
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80% of what I've tried to download through usenet as of late using .nzb has resulted in out of retention erros and other failures. Pretty frustrated and wondering about the future.
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2013-02-26 10:04:08 GMT
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Looks like we just have to be more savvy in the future. Maybe usenet isn't the way to go. Maybe it's back to torrents with VPNs. Or Seedboxes. I even saw a website where you can make your own seedbox but I'm unfamiliar with the technology so I don't understand how your privacy is impacted. I'm thinking we'll see usenet evolve soon. Perhaps it's time for a new technology. Who knows maybe something similiar to Anomos will finally gain some traction.
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2013-02-28 03:02:50 GMT
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Some good points raised in BlueDude's post.
I bought myself a Kindle Fire HD for Christmas, and I'm happy to pay for the lovefilm service as it's quick and regularly updated. For the same reason I also use spotify, but I still use Usenet for the latest releases, and I doubt that's going to change until America shares its shit with the UK!
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2013-03-27 11:07:25 GMT
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yea, all that streaming crap is awesome. But, since we can't get it in most of europe. i'll just stick to downloading.
however, i do feel like there are somewhat less frequent takedowns lately.
or my sickbeard just takes care of all that :/
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